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Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:25 am ] |
Post subject: | The Bottom Line |
![]() In my own individual bottom line scenario I had the best outcome that could be expected. I ran my business for over 19 years and was not bothered really by anyone. I did not play in a garage I was out and about, I never used a website to promote, yet I had plenty of work from just word of mouth. I did not have to pay protection money nor was I run out of business by illegal competition. Some say I was just lucky, I like to think that I offered the best product in my market area at a fair price. After all isn't that what American capitalism is all about? |
Author: | twansenne [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
Get rid of the pirates in my area (BFE) and it would only be ME. I have 2 "competiors" now #1 is a multi-rigging fu-tard, that drives 50 miles to my area to do a gig that pays $200 #2 is a newbie I havent seen yet, but hast 40K in songs. Some nite if I get REALY bored, and have ABSOUTLY nothing to do, I might go and see what's up with the newbie SO take away the Pirates and I will be the one and only #1. OOPS.....I am #1 in my area (pirates or not).... so I guess.... break to Metallica... Nothing else matters! |
Author: | Lonman [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
Hell i'd drive 50 miles for $200 gig - when one can hardly find a place to pay more than $100, it's worth the extra gas. But that would be the absolute furthest. |
Author: | Brian A [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
Lonman wrote: Hell i'd drive 50 miles for $200 gig Only if I have a smaller car. I was offered a $200 paycheck @ 55 miles away (Napa Valley) but turned it down. I’m driving a gmc savana van conversion & that sucker only gets 12 miles to the gallon. With Norcalif gas costing $4.65 per that would be approx $41 back & forth. I’m currently getting that amount which is 15 miles away. ![]() |
Author: | chrisavis [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
The Lone Ranger wrote: In my own individual bottom line scenario I had the best outcome that could be expected. Same here. I am ahead of my original 3 and 5 year plans. The Lone Ranger wrote: I ran my business for over 19 years and was not bothered really by anyone. Same here. Only 3.5 years in, but no one has bother me to date. The Lone Ranger wrote: I did not play in a garage I was out and about, I never used a website to promote, yet I had plenty of work from just word of mouth. Same here. I don't even have a garage, but I am working on a dedicated website, and most of my work has been picked up due to word of mouth. I have found that anything that can give me a competitive edge though is a good thing. Whether that be advertising in the local karaoke guide, leveraging social media, or being certified. As a case in point, I have picked up several gigs from the Sound Choice listings and from venues looking specifically for legal, certified karaoke hosts. My longest running gig (2 years) was because of the SC site. My second (14 months) and third (9 months) longest gigs were due to venues looking specifically for legal, certified hosts and they found me through word of mouth. The Lone Ranger wrote: I did not have to pay protection money nor was I run out of business by illegal competition. Same here. Never paid a dime in protection money to any karaoke mafia (I don't think one exists). I don't feel threatened by illegal hosts even though they knock on my venues doors every week. They can't compete on anything except price and it is obvious that the venues will be getting what the pay for. but more importantly, I have not just sat idly by doing nothing about the pirates. I have educated venues and singers and helped put a dent in piracy and reduced the number of pirate shows in the area. The Lone Ranger wrote: Some say I was just lucky, I like to think that I offered the best product in my market area at a fair price. After all isn't that what American capitalism is all about? Are you saying it isn't possible to offer the best product at a fair price and also be lucky at the same time? I think it is likely also attributed to living in an area where there is less competition. I have said many times that there is a very big difference between competing in a low population, more rural area and trying to run in large population, metropolitan area. That is less about luck and more about where you live. -Chris |
Author: | Cueball [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
chrisavis wrote: I don't feel threatened by illegal hosts even though they knock on my venues doors every week. They can't compete on anything except price and it is obvious that the venues will be getting what the pay for. I disagree... The implication in this statement about getting what you pay for does not necessarily mean that a pirate will undercut everyone else and give them less value for the buck. I have seen many pirate KJs out there who charge the average going rate and run a better show than the legit KJ (and I am not referring to having a larger library to accomplish that). But this is talk for a different topic thread, so I am sorry for the quick hijack.
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Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
chrisavis wrote: Are you saying it isn't possible to offer the best product at a fair price and also be lucky at the same time? I think it is likely also attributed to living in an area where there is less competition. I have said many times that there is a very big difference between competing in a low population, more rural area and trying to run in large population, metropolitan area. That is less about luck and more about where you live. -Chris ![]() |
Author: | chrisavis [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
cueball wrote: chrisavis wrote: I don't feel threatened by illegal hosts even though they knock on my venues doors every week. They can't compete on anything except price and it is obvious that the venues will be getting what the pay for. I disagree... The implication in this statement about getting what you pay for does not necessarily mean that a pirate will undercut everyone else and give them less value for the buck. I have seen many pirate KJs out there who charge the average going rate and run a better show than the legit KJ (and I am not referring to having a larger library to accomplish that). But this is talk for a different topic thread, so I am sorry for the quick hijack.I don't disagree with this at all. There are SOME pirate hosts that have great sound, are great personalities and run great, well attended shows. But MOST pirates in my area are running low end systems, have mediocre personalities, and maintain their gigs based on low pricing. For instance, I received a call from a venue last week, went and spoke to the owners, and they loved the pics and videos I showed them of my sound and systems. But they balked at my price. Why? Because their previous host worked for $80/night. I obviously passed on the gig. -Chris |
Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
The Lone Ranger wrote: Private parties and private clubs were the bulk of my business the last year, with a good amount of weddings, and unfortunately FUNERALS ( my embolden- JC) that paid top dollar. I don't know how you did them. I have refused requests in the past- no heart for it.... |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
JoeChartreuse wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: Private parties and private clubs were the bulk of my business the last year, with a good amount of weddings, and unfortunately FUNERALS ( my embolden- JC) that paid top dollar. I don't know how you did them. I have refused requests in the past- no heart for it.... ![]() |
Author: | NoShameKaraoke [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
chrisavis wrote: Same here. Never paid a dime in protection money to any karaoke mafia (I don't think one exists). If it did, though, I am totally picturing an off-key rendition of JAl Martino's "I Have But One Heart" as their theme song. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
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Author: | chrisavis [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
The Lone Ranger wrote: 8) What else is it but protection money leveraged by the threat of a legal lawsuit? If you pay off the manus in the guise of legal recovery, what you are doing is paying them off to go away. That is the whole purpose of the legal process to demonstrate that the manus are willing to sue a host and that the host needs to protect themselves and their business interests. This is not some law enforcement agency or government doing this, but rather a company that has taken upon themselves the job of the police and the D.A. Do you get all of your information from Bob Loblaw's Law Blog? -Chris |
Author: | JimHarrington [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
chrisavis wrote: Do you get all of your information from Bob Loblaw's Law Blog? -Chris Why should YOU go to jail for a crime somebody ELSE noticed? |
Author: | johnny reverb [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
The Lone Ranger wrote: 8) What else is it but protection money leveraged by the threat of a legal lawsuit? If you pay off the manus in the guise of legal recovery, what you are doing is paying them off to go away. That is the whole purpose of the legal process to demonstrate that the manus are willing to sue a host and that the host needs to protect themselves and their business interests. This is not some law enforcement agency or government doing this, but rather a company that has taken upon themselves the job of the police and the D.A. If someone steals your identity, credit card #...etc....no one cares. You have to fix everything yourself.....the law can't even keep up with violent crime, and we're all on our own, when it comes to this kinda stuff. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
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Author: | chrisavis [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
The Lone Ranger wrote: 8) That's all well and good to go around trying to deal out your own brand of justice. If you take on the job of the law, I would hope before you start playing cop you at least make sure you are clean. If not then I fail to see how any real justice can be realized. The Bob Loblaw Law Blog Lobbed a Law Bomb! -Chris |
Author: | Lonman [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
chrisavis wrote: Do you get all of your information from Bob Loblaw's Law Blog? -Chris His wife Yawda Yawda writes one too... ![]() |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Bottom Line |
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