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Author: | Rich101 [ Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Super CDG's |
Regarding super cdg's, specifically the Chartbuster Essential 450's. I have not seen them at the usual online karaoke stores (karaoke.com, Ace,etc.) however I have seen them on ebay stores. With all the things going on today regarding piracy I was hoping that someone might know if they are Legal or Not. I have a legal system, and want to keep it that way. Does know about this... |
Author: | mrmarog [ Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
Most of us feel that if you OWN an original disc from the manufacturer then you are good to go. If you don't own the disc or legal downloads (with receipts), then you are a "pirate". Without "permission", even though you own the disc, some manufacturers may still consider you a technical infringer. As time goes by even the strongest of Manu defenders have softened their view of infringement. Ownership, not possession, is the key here. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
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Author: | johnreynolds [ Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
I bought my CB Super CDGs from Chartbuster directly along with tons of regular cds right before the company caved in. OF COURSE they're LEGAL...or i'm suing sombody! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Bazza [ Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
Rich101 wrote: Regarding super cdg's, specifically the Chartbuster Essential 450's. I have not seen them at the usual online karaoke stores (karaoke.com, Ace,etc.) however I have seen them on ebay stores. With all the things going on today regarding piracy I was hoping that someone might know if they are Legal or Not. I have a legal system, and want to keep it that way. Does know about this... As I remember the story, there were a limited number of official SCDG sets made by CB and they sold out long ago. However someone (the pressing plant?) kept making illegal copies and flooded eBay with counterfeits. I bought mine from eBay not knowing this. Back when CB was still around they offered (here on Karaoke Scene) to swap these alleged fake sets for official ones so they could use them for forensics/potential lawsuits, etc. So, I contacted them and ended up getting a real set for the cost of the eBay sets. Score! So...99% chance the CB sets on eBay are more of the endless supply of fakes. |
Author: | Lonman [ Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
But since the SCDG were supposed to be made for CAVS by Chartbuster which if I recall turned out to made without licensing for that format?, which is why the CAVS lawsuit that ultimately put the final nail in CB coffin. |
Author: | mrmarog [ Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
I have a complete set of the Essentials 1-6 (180 discs) and pieces of 7-9. I purchased SCDG sets 5 & 6 on Ebay a couple of years ago and they sure look legit to me. The packaging was the most convincing part since it arrived in a very professional shrink wrapped DVD movie type box with all the details written on it. I paid about $40 each. |
Author: | mightywiz [ Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
mrmarog wrote: I have a complete set of the Essentials 1-6 (180 discs) and pieces of 7-9. I purchased SCDG sets 5 & 6 on Ebay a couple of years ago and they sure look legit to me. The packaging was the most convincing part since it arrived in a very professional shrink wrapped DVD movie type box with all the details written on it. I paid about $40 each. look at the barcode numbers on the packages, the fakes repeated barcode numbers on the packaging. if your's are real they all have different barcode numbers. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
Lonman wrote: But since the SCDG were supposed to be made for CAVS by Chartbuster which if I recall turned out to made without licensing for that format?, which is why the CAVS lawsuit that ultimately put the final nail in CB coffin. ![]() |
Author: | JimHarrington [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
mrmarog wrote: I have a complete set of the Essentials 1-6 (180 discs) and pieces of 7-9. I purchased SCDG sets 5 & 6 on Ebay a couple of years ago and they sure look legit to me. The packaging was the most convincing part since it arrived in a very professional shrink wrapped DVD movie type box with all the details written on it. I paid about $40 each. I have no idea whether yours are real or not, and they might have been sold at a loss just to get something out of them, but... The minimum royalty on karaoke songs is about .14 per track, not to mention the fixing fees and other charges. The CB Essentials discs have 450 tracks each, so the royalties due the publishers would be about $63 for each disc. That tells me either that (a) somebody's taking a pretty big hit on those discs or (b) the publishers didn't get their royalties. This is not a comment on your use or your operations, just an interesting (to me) point about the economics of that kind of deal. |
Author: | Lonman [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
The Lone Ranger wrote: Lonman wrote: But since the SCDG were supposed to be made for CAVS by Chartbuster which if I recall turned out to made without licensing for that format?, which is why the CAVS lawsuit that ultimately put the final nail in CB coffin. ![]() Don't ask me, I have absolutely no idea nor speculate what they should nor shouldn't do! |
Author: | doowhatchulike [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
HarringtonLaw wrote: mrmarog wrote: I have a complete set of the Essentials 1-6 (180 discs) and pieces of 7-9. I purchased SCDG sets 5 & 6 on Ebay a couple of years ago and they sure look legit to me. The packaging was the most convincing part since it arrived in a very professional shrink wrapped DVD movie type box with all the details written on it. I paid about $40 each. I have no idea whether yours are real or not, and they might have been sold at a loss just to get something out of them, but... The minimum royalty on karaoke songs is about .14 per track, not to mention the fixing fees and other charges. The CB Essentials discs have 450 tracks each, so the royalties due the publishers would be about $63 for each disc. That tells me either that (a) somebody's taking a pretty big hit on those discs or (b) the publishers didn't get their royalties. This is not a comment on your use or your operations, just an interesting (to me) point about the economics of that kind of deal. Making any insinuations about why something is sold by an entity at any given price is always going to be guesswork at best, and limiting the possibilities to two or three, and, in this case, the two lettered scenarios, might be construed as a biased response. The only thing that could possibly be a fact of the matter in this case is that they were sold at the price they were because they COULD be. Sounds oversimplified, but it is the only certainty, no matter what the reason. Reasons (a) and (b) above could be an AND, OR, NEITHER, or, , less likely one could suppose, NOR situation... |
Author: | mrmarog [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
mightywiz wrote: mrmarog wrote: I have a complete set of the Essentials 1-6 (180 discs) and pieces of 7-9. I purchased SCDG sets 5 & 6 on Ebay a couple of years ago and they sure look legit to me. The packaging was the most convincing part since it arrived in a very professional shrink wrapped DVD movie type box with all the details written on it. I paid about $40 each. look at the barcode numbers on the packages, the fakes repeated barcode numbers on the packaging. if your's are real they all have different barcode numbers.![]() HarringtonLaw wrote: mrmarog wrote: I have a complete set of the Essentials 1-6 (180 discs) and pieces of 7-9. I purchased SCDG sets 5 & 6 on Ebay a couple of years ago and they sure look legit to me. The packaging was the most convincing part since it arrived in a very professional shrink wrapped DVD movie type box with all the details written on it. I paid about $40 each. I have no idea whether yours are real or not, and they might have been sold at a loss just to get something out of them, but...The minimum royalty on karaoke songs is about .14 per track, not to mention the fixing fees and other charges. The CB Essentials discs have 450 tracks each, so the royalties due the publishers would be about $63 for each disc. That tells me either that (a) somebody's taking a pretty big hit on those discs or (b) the publishers didn't get their royalties. This is not a comment on your use or your operations, just an interesting (to me) point about the economics of that kind of deal. |
Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
HarringtonLaw wrote: mrmarog wrote: I have a complete set of the Essentials 1-6 (180 discs) and pieces of 7-9. I purchased SCDG sets 5 & 6 on Ebay a couple of years ago and they sure look legit to me. The packaging was the most convincing part since it arrived in a very professional shrink wrapped DVD movie type box with all the details written on it. I paid about $40 each. I have no idea whether yours are real or not, and they might have been sold at a loss just to get something out of them, but... The minimum royalty on karaoke songs is about .14 per track, not to mention the fixing fees and other charges. The CB Essentials discs have 450 tracks each, so the royalties due the publishers would be about $63 for each disc. That tells me either that (a) somebody's taking a pretty big hit on those discs or (b) the publishers didn't get their royalties. This is not a comment on your use or your operations, just an interesting (to me) point about the economics of that kind of deal. Two good- but equally negating points. Jim is correct- those SCDGs sold for WAY under cost ( royalties, fees, recording costs and materials) MrMarog is also 100% right- people will sell at a loss if they feel they must, or if they themselves got a great deal. Also, if the seller was a karaoke distributor or brick and mortar, they can take a tax write-off on the inventory... Whatever works, I guess.... |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
Bazza wrote: Rich101 wrote: Regarding super cdg's, specifically the Chartbuster Essential 450's. I have not seen them at the usual online karaoke stores (karaoke.com, Ace,etc.) however I have seen them on ebay stores. With all the things going on today regarding piracy I was hoping that someone might know if they are Legal or Not. I have a legal system, and want to keep it that way. Does know about this... As I remember the story, there were a limited number of official SCDG sets made by CB and they sold out long ago. However someone (the pressing plant?) kept making illegal copies and flooded eBay with counterfeits. I bought mine from eBay not knowing this. Back when CB was still around they offered (here on Karaoke Scene) to swap these alleged fake sets for official ones so they could use them for forensics/potential lawsuits, etc. So, I contacted them and ended up getting a real set for the cost of the eBay sets. Score! So...99% chance the CB sets on eBay are more of the endless supply of fakes. ![]() |
Author: | chrisavis [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
Has any KJ been sued for using SCDG's? I would propose that we not worry about it until someone is or until a recall is issued. It just isn't worth worrying about. -Chris |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
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Author: | Bazza [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
The Lone Ranger wrote: Bazza wrote: Rich101 wrote: With all the things going on today regarding piracy I was hoping that someone might know if they are Legal or Not. 99% chance the CB sets on eBay are more of the endless supply of fakes. ![]() In my world, "Fake" = Counterfeit = Illegal. Fees or no fees. We all know the Lone Ranger "Bizzaro World" is different. One is encouraged to steal there. ![]() http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
Bazza wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: Bazza wrote: Rich101 wrote: With all the things going on today regarding piracy I was hoping that someone might know if they are Legal or Not. 99% chance the CB sets on eBay are more of the endless supply of fakes. ![]() In my world, "Fake" = Counterfeit = Illegal. Fees or no fees. We all know the Lone Ranger "Bizzaro World" is different. One is encouraged to steal there. ![]() http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World ![]() |
Author: | chrisavis [ Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Super CDG's |
The Lone Ranger wrote: Bazza wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: Bazza wrote: Rich101 wrote: With all the things going on today regarding piracy I was hoping that someone might know if they are Legal or Not. 99% chance the CB sets on eBay are more of the endless supply of fakes. ![]() In my world, "Fake" = Counterfeit = Illegal. Fees or no fees. We all know the Lone Ranger "Bizzaro World" is different. One is encouraged to steal there. ![]() http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World ![]() Ah....but it actually is pretty easy to tell the good guys from the bad guys - In my case, just look at the cover of my song books. Or even look me up on the Sound Choice web site. Or just ask me to produce my discs. In reality it is very easy to tell the good guys from the bad guys.....just ask. The good guys have nothing to hide. -Chris |
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