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We're talking about being sued for *trademark infringement*. He said it right in what you quoted . "don't forget to send me $35 for not suing you either" PEP wants me to send them money so they won't sue me for *trademark infringement*. Chip wants me to send him money as well, so he won't sue me.... for... what else would he sue me for? Trademark infringement is what we're talking about.

Now go stand in the corner and not think of a white bear.

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DJ Don

check your messages.

Oh, let's see if I understand you correctly.... you claim that I'm "scared and intimidated by them?"

Really?

I "pulled Sound Choice" because they "changed the rules" remember? I don't waffle back and forth (like you) because unlike Slep, I don't go back on my word.

Even you at one time considered dropping the label.... but because you'd already spent so much, you decided to keep it....

I'm the guy that's always been "following the rules" and you have a problem with it because I refuse to continually finance their existence or pay more than once for something I purchased going on 25 years ago.

Hopefully, someday you'll grow a backbone not made of rubber.

This is exactly what they count on and it's costing them about $400 to file the suit and the settlements are far greater....

It's their business. It's all they do.

No, Cueball is actually right.... The $35 is nothing more than the same "covenant not to sue" that PEPtone sells... except it's not trademark specific.... I'll take the $35 for not suing you for ANY reason.... I wouldn't dream of limiting it to trademark.

See what a better deal I am?

And it's good for 7 years, not just the measly 5 years like peptone so you get almost 50% MORE for 30% less!

It's a limited time offer (good only during this century) so send in your money now and get your certificate ready for framing!

Hurry, hurry, hurry!


Trust me.... I'm a KJ....

To correct your misinformation......

I didn't keep SC product because of my investment. I could sell off all of my SC product and make back what I paid for it many times over. I kept SC because I like the product and my customers like the product.

As for the rest of your bullshit......it is just that.

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-Chris

Thank you Chip (for understanding my tongue-in-cheek humor). DJDon... go back to your corner and draw me a picture of those White Bears you think I'm seeing. Remember.. Reading is Fundamental (or fun for da mental).

But I was never IN my corner.

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DJ Don

Really? Weren't you the author of the thread; "Keep or Drop Sound Choice?"

Let's see who's really full of bull....
These are your words, not mine. But I did add SOME of the highlighting....


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Waffle, waffle.... boing, boing....

Apparently, your principles aren't worth the trouble either.

A big problem that I see is all those that went through the SC audits had their hard drives looked at so SC/PEP knows just who has CB. They know just who to go after and if those that are SC Certified do not submit for PEP's CB certification then they will go after them for not submitting. Via this board they know exactly who is running CB and I'm sure have compiled a list and will be visiting them first. SC/PEP has become the scourge of Karaoke and will kill it in the end.

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They didn't look at anything on my hard drive other than SC.

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Did they scan your hard drive? Did you submit a copy of all your songs (ie a song book) Did they see even 1 CB disc in you library? If so they know. Your website shows that you have CB songs so they know...'Nuf said.

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A stranger is a friend you haven't met yet

Yep, did everything I needed to at the time of the audit.
I'm sure they know I use CB among almost every other brand in the world as i've said it on just about every forum from here to back to the JOLT days. But they did NOT see them on my hard drive because they were not looking for anything other than SC. I'm guessing (strictly a guess) they may have acquired all sales records from the CB sales too, but that is complete speculation.

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Poor mans copyright has saves my arse before... I'd have to bring the physical disks to court as well..
They own the trademark...end of story. Win or lose they can still make your life miserable unless you can afford
the time and expense or like my former employer: Enjoy using the court as a slot machine.
Many of us don't need the headache.
It is a shame that lawyers have twisted the law until laws contradict themselves and tie the judges hands into only one course
of action depending on the skill of the lawer $$$$$$. Judges have lost their ability to Judge.

Those "Scare Tactics" have done a fine job of scaring clubs... The world is not made of lawyers and us peons dont have the luxury of sitting around waiting for years spending endless amounts of money for lawyers to go jerk off and laugh all the way to the bank.
Principle will get you killed very quickly and no one else will give a crap that you are gone so you use reason and avoid the problem in the first place. Move to florida... fun place, don't forget to put a lawyer on permanent retainer.

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I'll respond to several other points later today, but about the "poor man's copyright"...

If I mailed myself an unsealed, empty envelope, certified mail, then later put something in the envelope and sealed it, would that be proof of possession on the date of mailing?

Holy crapola! Is this this semblance of an agreement on a single point?

Has hell frozen over?

Of course you had to change the parameters of he original action by including "unsealed, empty, envelope" which of course implies that you'd be doing this with the intent (forethought) of committing some type of fraud to begin with.

And that doesn't surprise me one bit.

A person who does the "poor man's copyright" would have the postal service stamp the seal(ed) envelope all along the seal just to avoid your suggested type of fraud.

Yeah, you might want to ask if you'll have to submit (and pay for) another audit that covers the CB trademark since it was not completed the first time around...

Or should they just "trust you?"....

Well, that's just foolish.

Every operator is offered the opportunity to show 1:1 correspondence. If you have 1:1 correspondence, there is absolutely no way that settling is "easier and cheaper" than showing your discs and your hard drive, getting a certification and dismissal, and moving on.



The cost is low because our aim with registration, as with certification, is only to cover the administrative cost of the program. What we're offering through the CB registration program is the opportunity to raise your hand, tell us what you've got, and get a binding, permanent, and unequivocal authorization to use the materials you purchased in the format that makes the most sense for your operations. Our approach to enforcement of the CB trademarks will be different from the SC enforcement methods, and this is the first step.

We were criticized endlessly for not giving SC disc owners the opportunity to do something like this before we began suing them. Now that we're implementing this program for CB, we're still getting criticized--which tells me that the point of all this isn't some real objection to the approach, but just a promise to complain no matter what we do.



Registration and the covenant not to sue that accompanies it will be permanent. Of course, we'll have a list of KJs who are CB registered, and I expect we'll market our products to them in the future--but it won't be a situation where we'll be able to force the KJs on this list to pay us more money.



All we are interested in is a level playing field. If that's the result of this action, we'll be happy about it. Otherwise, it has zero impact on what we're planning to do.

The only change we made to the rules was to make it legally possible for you to do what you were apparently already doing without authorization.

The CB registration will be permanent.